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So some religions are made that their "source" was not the Bible, yet contain elements of the image of God. These I would argue, (or propose) that their source is ultimately God, with of course other corruptions since man has become corrupt. Those outside of God, would be a system entirely contrary to the knowledge that he has "wired in" to us. It would be more like a system where Christian good would be their evil, and Christian evil would be their good. That's what I'm thinkin anyways ;)
Yes it can. There is a morality that I believe God never desired (I chose that word carefully) man to have, and some have chosen that as their system to follow. I have been careful to use terms such as "true morality" which are of course, coming from a Christian mindset, and it's distinction is not so much that it is true and others false. It is that it generally follows a pattern that is true to the image of God that has been conferred to man and lies in his conscience. There does exist a morality outside of that.
But Christianity doesn't have the corner on the market of "right" and "wrong." I'm not speaking of truth here...merely morality. Even the Babylonian code of Hamanaptra (sp) was a moral law...moral meaning "this is how you are to act."
So, can morality come from a source ourside of God?
@Evowookiee - "So why is it...that we base our reasonings on truth...from the idea that Morality is the apex of human interaction?" I'm not sure how to answer but I can say that I don't believe personally that morality is the apex of human interaction. I think Christans have an established belief in truth and falsehood, right and wrong, so that's where that comes from. But other religions will give a different answer... some don't believe in absolute truth and some view works and morality as ultimately important, because it is what determines your status in the afterlife... so answers will logically vary on that question, no?
I want to discuss this statement:
"Morals are based generally on what man percieves to be right. Where man gets that perception, is a question that cannot possibly have universal agreement."
and put it into context with this statement:
"I believe they are religious in that they ultimately come from God, but since those people do not recognize it as such, for them they are considered as morals they have that have no religious base."
Morality is simply a belief and adherence to a system. According to C.S Lewis there are both non-religious morals, and non moral religions. Morality, in and of itself is simply an adherence to a belief structure...and not the rule as to what right and wrong truly is. So why is it...that we base our reasonings on truth...from the idea that Morality is the apex of human interaction?
Ah, I think there are non-religious morals that people have. I believe they are religious in that they ultimately come from God, but since those people do not recognize it as such, for them they are considered as morals they have that have no religious base.
There are also religions that have little to no morality other than a system that attempts to appease god or explain the universe. Some have little benefit in regards to having an ability to help others or restrain injustices. Yet the majority of religions do attempt to establish some form of morals.
Morals are based generally on what man percieves to be right. Where man gets that perception, is a question that cannot possibly have universal agreement.
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Not speaking of God, but of religion in general (man's attempt at understanding the metaphysical aspects of existence) are there non-moral religions, or non-Religious morals?
The answer to the question I think depends on if the writer of the Bible is the true God or not. If he is, then "true morality" being that which is considered as acceptable to God, is determined by God himself, as he has written those laws on our hearts, and from that starting point, goes on to give us further instruction as to how to apply those things in His word.